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Break-Out Group 12



List up to two questions per direction that need to be answered as we further shape them

*Group 12:
Social Network (direction #4)
•    does this tie in with the theme of sustainable tools?
•    one thing about the servic-oriented approach, it makes your tools more sustainable; can switch out the technology easily and subsitute it with another
•    need to make sure you can get your data out of the tools and so if you want to change tools you need to be able to get your data out
•    tools etc also need to be integrated in what people already do---this would answer the question of maintencance; find a way to fit with the research that people already do
•    the sharing and finding out about who has used these tools---ie could facilitate discovery and sharing of tools...not just a discovery of people and relationships; is about discovering resources in general
•    what we have on the wiki we need to fill out and continue to work with
•    not sustainable to just list on a wiki - but need an open registry than can be searched from any social networking site
•    also get into the question of who builds it and who maintains it?
•    need also to think about WHY people would use a higher-level social networking tool, one that's not just limited to people in our fields?
•    do we need to think more about what the social network is enabling? is it communicating or is it presenting researchers with their own page? what are we trying to facilitate a network to do?
•    if we could produce the information once and distribute it---this is what an ideal social network would do
•    or, what about vetted discovery? who has used this tool and for what? is it the kind of use that's close to mine and that I consider reliable?
•    note too: google is good at helping you find what you're already looking for
•    alternatively, some kind of topical organization---tag clowding?
•     how do we mimic this on our own campus?
•    also, think about renaming "social network"---perhaps call it academic network? scholarly network? you could use social networks just as a model and build someting quite specific that doesn't have ads etc.
•    to sell it to colleagues, need to think about what problem this social network solves
•    there are ways of thinking about characteristics of social networks; what's really needed is a definition of what would make a scholarly network "scholarly"? what do people want it to do?
•    there is a need to be very careful to not reinvent the monkish nature of arts and humanities practice; are we talking about building something that retains an old way of doing arts and humanities scholarship?
•    maybe what scholarly network means is that it's an easy way to bring together a group of scholars across geographies, disciplines, time and space, to examine/study some group of texts or images?
•    WHAT MAKES A GOOD SOCIAL NETWORK?

Tools and Repositories
•    same question: sustainability
•    what about a focus on stuff, elevating the stuff element so that it's not just about tools? or tools and archives?
•    OR, rather than building tools, create a list of the things that a tool must be able to do
•    if we're talking about content partners, are we also talking about commercial partners and how much can we build? will we have trouble with the licensed content and we'll only have access to the open source content?
•    need to make sure that participation doesn't depend on simply financial resources backing institutions?
•    commerical developers have more capital to invest in useful surfaces; in the future, content itself is going to be less important to these companies than these services they can provide
•    Bamboo: to what extent does it play with or against this trend?
•    OR, how can we leverage industry? can we work with, say, google? or work with coding or commerical industries working on 3-d models of the book? but, in the end, we need to give them deliverables
•    how can we build something like google scholar UP so that it's more comprehensive? how can we work WITH industry rather than against them?
•    need also to think about incentives for not just building tools, but also sharing them

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  1. Unknown User (masover@berkeley.edu)

    I took some notes at this session as well:

    Breakout Group 2

    Social Network (SN)
    Tools and Repositories (TR)

    Service orientation implies ability to migrate from one tool/repo to know.

    SN:  Discovery mechanism
    SN:  Are there existing mechanisms for the discovery thing already, like our wiki
    SN:  Needs to be open, searchable registry
    SN:  Sustainability ... does this direction include sustainability?
    SN:  To discover collaborators across disciplines?
    SN;  Many things other than discovery ... what else could it be?  Communicating?  Presenting?
    SN:  More than a list.  Tag clouding.  Suggested (perhaps emergent) organization.
    SN:  How do we mimic this on our own campuses?
    SN:  How can this naturally be a part of the process of research (adoption question)
    SN:  Integrated w/ admin systems on our campuses so we don't have to duplicate
    SN:  What's the problem that this social network will solve for people?
    SN:  King's College has something like this (not known what platform) ...
    SN:  As a collaboatory in which one can meet, share stuff, examine and annotate stuff across disciplinary, geographic, institutional borders

    TR:  What about a focus on stuff?  Elevate the stuff element.  Tools and archives a "friendlier" title for this?  Or tools & content-providers?  "Repository" is a mechanical level, and what's of concern to scholars is the content itself.
    TR:  how do we search into materials that are in a "locked access" repository -- commercial, copyright-protected stuff?  How to annotate those materials?
    TR:  License holders have more capital to invest in services that add real value.  Might content become less important than services that add value to content?  And how should PB "battle" or otherwise engage with these efforts in order to both give to the commercial entities and get from them.
    TR:  Separate metadata from content.
    TR:  CDL repository ...
    TR:  How can we get tools to integrate better with the content?
    TR:  What are the common characteristics, aspects, or capabilities of tools that will facilitate enablement of practices-of-interest ... could PB describe such c, a, or c as a contribution to toolmakers?
    TR:  Citation/provenance to enable incentive